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Old 23 Sep 2010, 11:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So I picked up a variable speed dual random orbital sander, for 5, it works very well, and made light work of sanding my staircase back to wood ready for varnishing and or painting ...

So I bought a polishing pad, turned it right down and tried to do the car with it ... now I'm confused, a friend owns a scratch repair company and I've used his equipment numerous times to polish my car, tcut on with cloth and off with his polisher ( actually a grinder with polishing pad on it ) ... his pad is huge though, and the one I got much thinner, so I read on the interweb about it and people say to put the polish on with the pad and wipe off with a cloth ... failed ...

Should I stick to stairs ?? I love to keep the car polished, but it isn't half hard work, and what with all the rain and that I thought a machine might make it a tonne easier, but it doesn't seem to ...

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Don't think I'd dare put one of them near my car. Good old polish cloth and a bit of elbow grease. I've seen them power polishers do some damage, it's hard to get in all the areas as well
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Old 23 Sep 2010, 02:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Cheap power polishes are cheap for a reason , they are about as usefull as a baileys dump valve lol. I have a porter cable (imported from USA from a specialist detailing company) DA variable speed polisher, it buffs, polishes, removes marring and micro swirl (obviously using the correct pad and polish/compound). I swear by it. Ive done a black Jag a few weeks ago that looked old and tired, 3 hours later was gleaming and paintworked looked like new. It makes a hard long job a lot shorter and easier. Although full setup with 110 transformer cost me around 350 so not cheap but that came with compounds and polishes also. Poorboys world are in my opinion the best you can get at reasonable prices.
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Old 23 Sep 2010, 02:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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It's not a particularly cheap one, I got it @ boot fair last weekend ... it wasn't 5 quid new, jesus I'd not go within a mile of my car with anything that was 5 new, plus I wouldn't have used it at all had it not proven itself as a good sander ... seriously whole stair case in couple of hours to near perfect ... which is the reason I bought the thing anyway ... so it's not a loss anyway ...

Should I maybe get something designed for power polishers, and not tcut ?? The pad wasn't cheap either, for a fluffy circle anyway, it was 11 and made by bosch, so not cheap either ... also, on the box to the pad it clearly shows a guy putting polish on his car bonet with it ... so it's obviously the right sort of pad ... do I need to get one that takes it off too ?? mines fluffy and my friends one more of a wad, if that makes sense ...

If it was my business to clean cars, I'd happily spend hundreds on equipment up to the job but as it's just me, only cleaning the one car, I dont really see the need for top of the range equipment ... right ??

Luckily it done no damage to the paint, it's fine and have polished with the stuff I always use ( colour magic ) ... I sort of think the reason it didn't work is maybe it wasn't on a fast enough setting, I had it on the lowest setting, and was reluctant to press hard ...

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Don't think I'd dare put one of them near my car. Good old polish cloth and a bit of elbow grease. I've seen them power polishers do some damage, it's hard to get in all the areas as well
Just a bit of info if you didnt know, ignore me if you do, but the ones that can burn paint are rotary buffers (commonly used in bodyshops) the DA ones dont burn paint and are commonly used by detailers or valeters. rotary ones are harder to use but with pratice you should be ok, I have both types and use them both as they do different jobs and for different applications
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It sounds a good sander for the staircase anyway
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Just a bit of info if you didnt know, ignore me if you do, but the ones that can burn paint are rotary buffers (commonly used in bodyshops) the DA ones dont burn paint and are commonly used by detailers or valeters. rotary ones are harder to use but with pratice you should be ok, I have both types and use them both as they do different jobs and for different applications
The longer it takes me to polish the car the less housework I have to do they do sound the business though. Agree about the Poorboys polish, best stuff I've used up to now
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I swear by elbow grease !
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It's not a particularly cheap one, I got it @ boot fair last weekend ... it wasn't 5 quid new, jesus I'd not go within a mile of my car with anything that was 5 new, plus I wouldn't have used it at all had it not proven itself as a good sander ... seriously whole stair case in couple of hours to near perfect ... which is the reason I bought the thing anyway ... so it's not a loss anyway ...

Should I maybe get something designed for power polishers, and not tcut ?? The pad wasn't cheap either, for a fluffy circle anyway, it was 11 and made by bosch, so not cheap either ... also, on the box to the pad it clearly shows a guy putting polish on his car bonet with it ... so it's obviously the right sort of pad ... do I need to get one that takes it off too ?? mines fluffy and my friends one more of a wad, if that makes sense ...

If it was my business to clean cars, I'd happily spend hundreds on equipment up to the job but as it's just me, only cleaning the one car, I dont really see the need for top of the range equipment ... right ??

Luckily it done no damage to the paint, it's fine and have polished with the stuff I always use ( colour magic ) ... I sort of think the reason it didn't work is maybe it wasn't on a fast enough setting, I had it on the lowest setting, and was reluctant to press hard ...
It could be a combination of tools used and products, If the paint is dull the best thing to use is a mild compound SSR2 from the poorboys range is a proffession kind of T-Cut. T-Cut is ok on the odd scratch but isnt upto standard for big jobs if im honest. when using the compounds you need a fairly course hard sponge pad i use white sonus range for compounds and also the yellow range, (colours are used for identification) when buffing with a compound the speed needs to be fast. Once its buffed then you move onto a polish/compound its mildy abrasive but has polish qualities also. yellow sponge pad (this eliminates any swirl marks made by the more abrasive compound.) next a polish which is applied by a red pad softer less course and at a low speed. then to remove polish use a microfibre bonnet, then if your been anal and want a good protection apply a sealer on low speed with same red pad. remove with same microfibre bonnet. If you want help with what products to use and links for buying them i can help. I wouldnt use colour magic, if im honest it sounds like you've been to halfords and bought what you have heard of and theres nothing wrong with that as 8 years ago i was exactly the same. luckily i met a valeter that did Ferrari's etc at 2k a valet/detail. i learnt all my knowledge from him including product knowledge. Mainstream brands sell on adverts in halfords magazines etc and are ok products but generally you can get better for less.
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Old 24 Sep 2010, 06:03 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Thanks J ...

first the paint isn't dull, the only reason I use t-cut at all or colour magic is to make it shine and get rid of water marks after I clean it ... I tried a chamois leather, failed, so use t-cut/colour magic ...

if you could name ( and possibly link to ) for me a product that doesn't actually require hard work or a machine at all, because I'm not trying to get out scratches or swirls, just make it shiny and get rid of the water marks ( why does it watermark so badly ? ) ... that'd save me a lot of time and effort ...

you're right about halfords, it's just down the road from me, so convenient, I looked at their more professional range of products but have no idea ( auto glymm springs to mind, I've used that wheel cleaner before ) ...
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I use Halfords own shampoo, it's great and leaves a nice shine on my black BMW, but I only ever clean the car in the evening when it's cooler and the sun has gone down. Chamois it several times and rinse the chamois in warm clean water regularly.
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okay then, I'll try a chamois on it again ... if it doesn't work I'm gonna get you ... and you can come wash my car for me ... it seems like all I ever do, my neighbours must think I'm mental ...
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ha ha ha my neighbours think I'm mad too. I'm out there at 10pm normally with the leather
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Thanks J ...

first the paint isn't dull, the only reason I use t-cut at all or colour magic is to make it shine and get rid of water marks after I clean it ... I tried a chamois leather, failed, so use t-cut/colour magic ...

if you could name ( and possibly link to ) for me a product that doesn't actually require hard work or a machine at all, because I'm not trying to get out scratches or swirls, just make it shiny and get rid of the water marks ( why does it watermark so badly ? ) ... that'd save me a lot of time and effort ...

you're right about halfords, it's just down the road from me, so convenient, I looked at their more professional range of products but have no idea ( auto glymm springs to mind, I've used that wheel cleaner before ) ...
The reason the paint is water markign so easily is porbably as there is little wax/resin protecting the paint. What i would do id polish the car with a quality polish do it 2 or 3 times (builds up protection) then use a sealer which is applied like the polish. (this stop the rain marking the paint) water beads off and leaves no marks. Autoglym polish is easily available black label range though the red label i dont rate. Sealers are a specialist product and not as easy to pick up. although im off to america in 4 hours lol, so il be bringing a selection of poorboys stuff back.
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