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Old 29 Sep 2008, 11:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Ello! - Complete and utter novice

Right where to start i guess!

Just joined this forum in search of some need of advice and steering in the right direction!

Cut to the chase - Basically I'm sick of clattering around in these crappie 1.4's etc. I said to myself f it, I'm going to get myself a scooby for a year before uni.

Sounds like a bad idea...But I see it as more of an investment than anything.

I'm 21 - 2 years no claims - 3 years driving...insurance is a kick in the teeth but you only live once(advice welcome on where to go/phone)

Don't worry I'm not a yobbo or a boy racer looking to smash the F outta it! Just want a nice motor instead of being embarrassed about what i drive!.

What I'm looking at getting is a Impreza 2000 turbo 1996 - 2000(not sure on reg. yet

Pretty much everyone has a WRX or an STI etc, but advice on this car?

Are they decent? Or a waste of time?

Worth getting? - Costs of running?

Quick/good at stock?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, you guys are the kings of scoobs so you must be able to help!


Any any further info like

If i look at one, what should i look for..questions to ask etc

High milage..does it effect much?

What sorts of prices should i pay for something..any advice would be greatly accepted!

thanks guys!

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Old 29 Sep 2008, 11:56 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Ello! - Complete and utter novice

Pretty much everyone has a WRX or an STI etc, but advice on this car?

Are they decent? Or a waste of time?

Worth getting? - Costs of running?

Quick/good at stock?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated, you guys are the kings of scoobs so you must be able to help!


Any any further info like

If i look at one, what should i look for..questions to ask etc

High milage..does it effect much?

What sorts of prices should i pay for something..any advice would be greatly accepted!

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Well STI has stronger internals than a WRX, suspension, brakes car set up a lot better i think and would be the one to go for in my opinion as i have a sti version 6 type ra.............

Well they decent if you get the right one as a lot are abused and well driven but find a right one and your sorted

As for being quick 0-60 in 4.6 seconds so that explains that it like a jet take off mine standard at 280bhp fast enough for me for awhile...........

But drive it handy you might see 22-23MPG and drive it on and as little as 10-12MPG a bit costly to run as said you only live once thats why i got this so ya id tell ya get one 100 times over.............

As for high milage friend of mine has a wrx with 110k miles and still going strong and he drives the heck outa the poor car but id try the lower the mileage the better

Have a look at start of the site for ''subaru impreza checklist''

Hope it helps..........................

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Old 30 Sep 2008, 06:50 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 30 Sep 2008, 09:00 AM   #4 (permalink)
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If you're going for a '96 then i think a WRX would be the way to go. The cost of insuring an import Sti (it would be an import as they were only available in Japan before 2000) would cost almost as much as the car itself.

On the plus side, if you can get a decent WRX with reasonable mileage and you treat it right, the car will be a real treat. They are quick in standard form. A '96 would have 240 Bhp and should be more than quick enough for someone coming from a 1.4.

They are great fun, but you are definitely right to do your research before you buy. Check out the links Pete has provided and call everyone, though Keith Michaels seems to come most strongly recommended.
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Old 30 Sep 2008, 09:50 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Ello! - Complete and utter novice

Thanks for the responce guys, do appreciate all the info!

When i said i know you all have stis/wrxs etc i didn't mean that i was looking to get one!!

I'm looking at the 2000 turbo!...maybe its the same as a wrx? i dont think it is tho...

I can prob. just about afford this 2.0 turbo, not sure about a wrx!

I know i'm only 21..so i think i might be pissing into the wind so to speak.
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Old 30 Sep 2008, 10:21 AM   #6 (permalink)
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UK turbo is actually down on power on the WRX (i think 218 Bhp), but will be a lot cheaper to insure as they are UK cars and not Imports.

If you want fully comp you might have a problem. I'm 32 and drive a '99 Sti Type RA and pay 550 quid a year here in Japan. When i made some inquiries regarding insurance in UK, cheapest i got quoted (no no claims) was 2,200 quid fully comp. I am not kidding.
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Re: Ello! - Complete and utter novice

When i were looking at getting a scooby import insurance took the piss in a big way(wrx insurance(classic)were as much as insuring an evo)would definately rule imports out although as a rule they are the more fun car to have.


That said a uk turbo`s easier to live with day to day as at one time were my main car(better gearing for day to day use however sti`s and RA`s are more fun)-uk turbos are fairly reliable if they`ve been looked after-however a mate of mine basically bought one with the same history as mine roughly same mileage possibly better condition at the time and had a right load of trouble with it,luckily had a yrs subaru warranty with it,once that had ran out he sold it-after 2 engine rebuilds under warranty werent taking the chance on another(prisewise at least 2-3k for rebuild-bear that in mind when looking at them for sale)


Personally i would never buy a scooby private unless its off a mate that you knows looked after it mechanically.A long warranty will save ya a lot of pain,bought mine from a specialists up in wigan with 6months warranty-wouldnt have considered one without that at least and still wouldnt.

Out the 2 i`d sooner buy one thats been meticulously looked after mechanically with not perfect bodywork(bodyworks alot cheaper to sort) and once ya start off with a bad engine(imo) it never seems to leave ya no matter what ya have done to it


Put it this way there were 6 or 7 of my mates with scoobys at one time-theres 3 now including me theyve just called it a day due to costs generally.


Look for the lowest mileage/number of owners as ya can + how long the last owners had it, obviously general condition -cambelt service is pretty expensive so ideally find a motor that it aint due on.


I looked at 12 or 13 cars before i bought mine an still needed gearbox rebuild at 33,000 mile-prisewise werent disastorous though as i had a lightweight flywheel and exedy organic clutch at the same time total price were about 1400
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Impreza's are expensive cars to own nothing is cheap down to fuel, insurance, parts, and servicing and to be honest am not to sure on the reliability myself mines an 05 with 23k and i've had quite a few problems all done under warranty but thats not the point you hear about "all this jap cars are bullet proof" but after having 3 impreza's now and only my first one had no problems....... so buying a car that is over 10 years old with a tuned engine that may have been thrashed may have some big bills further down the line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! sorry to sound negative but to run them you need a bit cash and like what was said by uk dave take ya time to fine a right one because there are loads of hammers around. But on the positive side what a car to drive they are fast and handle amazingly you will be gobsmacked at how quick you can travel in them and how much they flatter your driving skills especially the sti that is the best one but it is far more hardcore than the wrx...............but hardcore is what I like it's just down to choice and budget really................... good look with it
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Old 01 Oct 2008, 01:46 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I'd say Dave has pretty much summed it up. My RA though has not gone wrong once and hasn't even given me cause for concern. It is completely standard though and previous owners (3 in total) have all been older chaps and hve probably not thrashed it.

My previous car (a WRX wagon) cost me 6,000 quid in 13 months which is the point at which i sold it for 1/3 of what i paid. Wasn't anyhing big thaty went wrong, but loads of little things that all added up.
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Alright guys - update for ya!

Been thinking long and hard about it, and taken in everyones points, like i said before, it is appreciated n pointing me in the right direction.

Like people have pointed out, they are expensive to run and some of them have been thrashed to F*** and miss-treated. However i feel if i look around for the right one that's had some respect and been looked after i think i should be stepping in the right direction.

As for insurance i looked into 3rd party fire and theft, its 1100...I thought not too bad, then i read the description of it, It basically said that you don't care about your life or the value of your car! I didn't like the sound of that.

The best quote i found for fully-comp was 1600, which to be honest i don't think is that extreme. People i know are paying stupid amounts on insurance for peices of s***

What i'm fearing is the cost of having to replace parts all the time..I'm used to cars which are extremely reliable and i can just get in and go, not actually caring for something!

Like someone said, the whole "jap cars are bullet proof is just a spoof" and it did off-put me a bit when people say they're experiencing problems 24/7.

I'm going to keep it completly standard and not touch it..

So guys, am i heading in the right direction..tell me honestly.

cheers lads!
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Alright guys - update for ya!

Been thinking long and hard about it, and taken in everyones points, like i said before, it is appreciated n pointing me in the right direction.

Like people have pointed out, they are expensive to run and some of them have been thrashed to F*** and miss-treated. However i feel if i look around for the right one that's had some respect and been looked after i think i should be stepping in the right direction.

As for insurance i looked into 3rd party fire and theft, its 1100...I thought not too bad, then i read the description of it, It basically said that you don't care about your life or the value of your car! I didn't like the sound of that.

The best quote i found for fully-comp was 1600, which to be honest i don't think is that extreme. People i know are paying stupid amounts on insurance for peices of s***

What i'm fearing is the cost of having to replace parts all the time..I'm used to cars which are extremely reliable and i can just get in and go, not actually caring for something!

Like someone said, the whole "jap cars are bullet proof is just a spoof" and it did off-put me a bit when people say they're experiencing problems 24/7.

I'm going to keep it completly standard and not touch it..

So guys, am i heading in the right direction..tell me honestly.

cheers lads!


Well cant make up your mind but honestly i would go for one if thats what you really want you only live once could be dead tomorrow..... as when i went for my sti did get warned off it saying this can go wrong that can go wrong but at end of the day its all luck with a car had 2 type r integras before my sti and they never went wrong with any of my hondas, they people that i know had to change gearboxes in hondas and so on. Was a bit nervous changing to somthing i didnt no much about but saying that i dont regret buying sti ****ing love it service it regurly and well looked after and no trouble so once you look after a car i think it will give you many years of trouble free motoring and as i said once ''you look after it'' and thats providing you get a real nice one starting off with hope it helps
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"jap cars are bullet proof is just a spoof" and it did off-put me a bit when people say they're experiencing problems 24/7.
Tbh mate, pople are just giving you the worst case scenarios. When it comes to buying anything (especially performance cars) it is best to go in with your eyes open. Sounds like you're clear on the risksand are willing to take the chance, in which case i absolutely say go for it. Chances are you'll have a great experience with the car and wonder what on earth we were all on about.

Regarding the Japanese engine thing; what a lot of people fail to remember when they say these engines aren't bullet proof is that you have basically taken a regular engine and given it a significant power increase and popped a turbo on it. This creates a lot of stresses that weren't there before so if you push the engine too much , too long things are going to go wrong quickly. Problem is of course guy before you might have thrashed the nuts off it and never had a problem, but they could all be there just waiting to go. Is it a risk worth taking? I think so and sounds like you think so too. My car bascially has 150 Bhp per litre; that is hell of a lot of power for such a small engine. But as stated before, i look after it and it's taken are of me in return.

Hope you enjoy the car thatyou finally end up with after a long, exhaustive and hopefully fruitful search.

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Re: Ello! - Complete and utter novice

just go for it, i got mines and had a couple of probs with it. its been nothing serious though and with a bit more knowlage i would have been able to do more myself. mines is a 98 uk turbo.
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i know this is stating the obvious but insurance time does seem to come around quick, especially when its a big bill. mines just a UK classic, and i must admit i do get a bit of sti envy. but as time goes on if you just stick to the standard uk turbo you can just change the exhaust system which will dramatically improve overall performance
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I would say if im honest theres about a 60/40 split of problem cars to good cars if we talking classics so definately more chance of problems than not especially now they`re getting on a bit an theyre cheaper to buy,as joe blogs with very little money can now afford one however cant afford to look after it properly.


Dont get me wrong the majority of cars that are mint outside have been looked after everywhere else but theres still alot of dogs about that have not been looked after or had cheap rebuilds just to sell on before it breaks again.

If youre confident go for it but i`d still only buy from a garage with a warranty.
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