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Old 05 Feb 2010, 09:19 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Too many muppets

Right, not wanting to get on my high horse and set off on a random rant (although it might end up that way!)...

...But, I have to take issue with the seemingly vast number of clueless idiots that fecklessly fit coilover suspension to their cars. Impreza's seem to be a typical "enthusiast" car to be affected.

Before I go any further let me say that I am an Impreza owner, and it is modified, and I have modified pretty much every car I have owned since I passed my test 13 years ago. The issue I have is not with the car, modifying, or coilovers themseves, just the ease with which inept people can make a safe car a potential death trap with nothing more than a few spanners and a weeks wages.

It seems to me that every day there is a new thread on one forum or another woth some young owner complaining that after fitting a set of MR A N Other Tuner's coilovers they have severe issues with their handling/breaking general car behaviour etc. Does this not strike you as a lttle bit dangerous? I mean, This car is designed to be driven fast and hard and now these people are test piloting a new setup, often without proper geometry alignment and sometimes without the correct knowledge of how to preload coils and set ride heights. The result, I would imagine (and seemingly the owners agree, hence their posts on these forums) would be horrible. Worse - a danger to other road users.

Now, I'm not wanting to campaign against modifying cars, It's what I'm very passionate about, but I really think there is a problem with the lack of control in the UK to ensure this type of business is not creating situations where accidents could be attributable to poor knowledge and incorrect fittment of modified suspension. When someone posts that their car has "lost all stability" and "turning into a corner is now "inconsistent and randomly under or oversteers" it makes me think that I would not like to be on the same piece of road!

Anyone suggest a way to make things safer for us all?

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Old 05 Feb 2010, 09:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: Too many muppets

Feel better for that Im far from being a mechanical expert but i must admit that a little bit of knowledge is very dangerous in some cases. If i do anything to my car i always get it checked before i venture out on the public roads. For my own saftey as well as others.
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Old 06 Feb 2010, 06:43 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: Too many muppets

Coil overs are great if fitted by a professional and then all suspension and steering set up correctly

My Bro has a Spec C with AST set up (Type 20) and its fantastic on track and easy to adjust

It is not Crashy and Stiff like the stories I hear about Tien's. In fact on the road it is compliant

I personaly have the usuall Lowered springs with Whiteline set up... ALK, ARBS, DROP LINKS ETC and for my classic after the toe in was adjusted it works fine with very good feel and much better neutralised steering... understeer problem gone

If you have to have coilovers... get them fitted correctly by a specialist and get the rest of the steering and chassis set up properly

All the above IMHO
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Old 06 Feb 2010, 08:02 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Re: Too many muppets

putting coilovers on a car and not getting them height adjusted, levelled and not having geometry all done would be foolish and as you say probably dangerous. This is something that will take an expert with very expensive equipment sometimes many hours to do.
Thankfully this just leaves the the monkey behind the wheel (me for instance) the option of changing the damper force, whether purposely changing the dampers rebound unequally in each of the four corners could make the car dangerous i'm not sure. Potentially yes it probably could.
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Old 06 Feb 2010, 08:18 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Re: Too many muppets

Hence the reasoning why my AST coilover setup was done at Powerstation (actually Curtis and not his spanner man )

I have spent a fair wack of cash on my car and have intention of throwing it into a tree.
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Old 06 Feb 2010, 08:26 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Hence the reasoning why my AST coilover setup was done at Powerstation (actually Curtis and not his spanner man )
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Same here. Its a comforting thought.
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Re: Too many muppets

You know it is done right then.
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Old 06 Feb 2010, 09:25 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: Too many muppets

Dont necessarily see the need for coilovers full stop on a road car,normal adjustable struts/lowering springs have always been enough for me-got koni adjustables an 40mm lowering springs on the scooby but never had geometry set up on any car ive had, an i think ive lowered them all bar an audi 80 sport that i never modded as were an inbetween car.

To be fair aint had tracking done even on my last 2 cars,if it if feels ok an aint scrubbing tyres thats near enough for me.

"if" i got the geometry done would be after me next struts are fitted(KYB AGX`s)dont know when that will be but thats whats going on next,if springs that are on are ok when removed will use them again.

Lol its bretts fault bugeye_bob-he got me lowering cars yrs ago we cut a spring in half on a mark 3 escort once to make 2 rears just to go a quick spin round town to see how low it were only lived half a mile outta town-20yr ago that now mind.

Put proper ones in when we got bk about an hr later maybe not that.

Hang around with a lot of ppl thats got showcars or are well into the cruise scene and got a mate with a bm that regularly for shows adjusts the rear camber to a stupid extent-now that aint for me as he`s already running stretched tyres an he`s near enough running on the inside wall of both rears.will get ya a pic if i can find one.
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Re: Too many muppets

its just for shows but occasionally seen him drive round like it but not for long-only takes 5mins to adjust.
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Re: Too many muppets

Gota agree with the original post. If you're going to do something do it properly.
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