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Old 29 Nov 2009, 01:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Beware of Aztecs Bearing Gifts

‘Beware of Wolves in sheep’s clothing… and Aztecs bearing gifts’!

TO SAVE LOTS OF TIME... GO TO THE LAST SENTANCE.... AND DONT BUY OFF THE PARASITES



If you’re reading this you are probably an enthusiast… you are probably a petrol head and proud of it?


To us driving a car is not just a mode of transport, to get from point A to point B? We are not your ‘average’ driver or car owner; to us a car is far more than that


Other dictionary terms that are used to explain the word ‘Enthusiasts’ are……… Fans, aficionados, devotees, buffs, fanatics etc, etc


The great thing about being one of the above is…. Like the X Files tell us… ‘WE ARE NOT ALONE’ do you wave to a passing Scooby? If you see another owner parked up, do you check out their car and chat with them and swap war stories? Do you read the dedicated Subaru and or Japanese car magazines and study the after market goodies on offer and check out the latest modifications that are the new ‘must haves’? Do you park your car miles away from the shop in the supermarkets so as not to get a dent in your door? Do you check the neighbourhood before parking your pride and joy? Do you look back at your car for a final ‘glance’ when walking away from her? Etc, etc, etc


If you can say yes to any of the above then you’re an enthusiast… and there is no getting out of that... the Anorak fits you well! Eek…


So why have I bothered making the above statements???


Well it’s to give you a warning and some old head experience… and they don’t come much older than mine… before some wag sticks the boot in J


I have been afflicted by the enthusiasts bug since my teenage years… my first love was for motorbikes, classics and British... then came the multi cylinder Japs Kawasaki Z 900’s etc... Then cars, Ford Escort RS 2000’s , Jags, Land Rovers, Range Rovers, Subaru’s etc, etc. And I bet I’m not the only one reading this that has walked down the same path, somewhat chequered in my case.


The thing all the above Marks and Makes have in common are… yes you guessed it… they attract enthusiasts like us! You only have to look in the newsagents to see the proof, the racks are stacked full of magazines for: Jaguar Enthusiast, Fast Ford, Land Rover Owner, Classic Car, Classic Bike, etc, etc…. but they also, alas, attract the Wolves; the Wolves are very often in the shadows… they prowl around waiting to pick off an enthusiast with their ‘dodgy’ advice, unrealistic promises, poor customer service, no back up when we need help, inferior products with outrageous claims etc, etc


These Wolves very often lurk on the fringes and trade in on our enthusiasm, they understand our weakness and exploit it… they bleed us dry and come back for more!



The problem is we don’t see them coming, they STALK us and use lots of tricks to bait us, fool, and mislead us… They trade upon their semi-knowledge and half wisdom, things the read here or there and they edit them to fit a product they need to move on - at our expense and to our dissatisfaction when the product does not do ‘exactly what is says on the poor quality tin with a loose lid’.


The trouble is, we are often easy prey when our enthusiasm takes over our head and our lack of previous knowledge, we believe the hype they sell us.



Help is out there to prevent us making mistakes, this Internet site is just one example, our petrol head friends give us their experiences of this and that… but sometimes we hide the fact we have been ripped off or are quietly dissatisfied with a product or service we have received… we don’t like to admit it, because we may not want to be embarrassed by being caught out by one of these Rogue (Wolves) Traders?


So how do we know a trader is ‘on the level’? How can we tell if the product they push on us is going to give us what they promise? It’s not easy… it is an age old problem.


One way that may work is to do your home work by asking the right questions E.g. What evidence do you have Mr Trader, what RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT work have you undertaken to prove the worth of your products, what is you after sales policy if I am not entirely satisfied??? Etc, etc


It pays never to be shy when asking questions to traders… if they dodge, avoid, muddy or waffle their answers then do not part with you hard earned cash!


Never be afraid to put up a post on any internet blog asking any amount of questions about a product or service, even if you think others readers may think it’s silly question… I can guarantee there will be a lot of readers who are also itching to ask the same ‘silly’ question as you.


I am sick of being taken advantage of by these Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing, they think we are easy prey… well we can defend and fight back. Most of the above is about identifying and defence… but the best form of defence is attack…



So if anyone on this or any other ‘Enthusiasts’ site gets poor quality, shabby, low grade service or goods…. Tell the world and his dog about it, use the power of the NET publish correspondence from the Wolf that bit a chunk out of you, expose them before their prey uncover their dodgy deals and the power of numbers will subdue them. Unfortunately they will come back when they think we have forgotten… but if we keep up the warnings… they will have to hunt elsewhere and we will be wiser.


Magazines are not your friends… the trouble with Magazines are they have ‘vested’ hidden interests, they are funded by advertisers, they don’t give a toot who advertises as long as the ‘dollar’ is right, they give advice and then sell products to the reader, based upon gain and profit… this is not true of all publications I hasten to add… but beware of the ‘big’ sellers as they are edited by Wolves and think of enthusiasts as easy prey also… I once worked in the specialist Hi-Fi industry and have seen how the manufacturers and publishers work hand in hand: corrupt is the word.


I am a consumer of things that make my car go faster, stop quicker, handle better etc, etc… I have learned the hard way…My advice is free….and I have nothing, absolutely nothing to gain from this post or the advice I share with you…. buy off and from enthusiasts whenever you can, those who use their own products, who go racing with them, who test them, develop them, rally them, sprint them, report on them and stand by what they say, buy off the bloke who spends time with you, buy from fellow enthusiasts and don’t be fooled by the Wolves who also attack these enthusiasts that have become sellers, who have proved the worth of what they sell and you wont go far wrong


I hope this post has not been in vain and you avoid the Wolves


Nobby
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Old 29 Nov 2009, 01:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Blimey!

Quiet day Dean?

In all seriousness you make some great points and I think it is very helpful to hear other enthusiasts experiences, good as well as bad, when making decisions that are going to cost us money, sometimes thousands of pounds. In terms of quality service the same names keep on coming up time and time again (the same is also true of the places to avoid) so I have a fair idea of where my parts and servicing requirements will be met when i get back to the UK and have already pretty much decided on a mapper for my car, pending actually dealing with the chap. All this is a result of reading about peoples experiences with said vendors/mappers/tuners on a number of forums.
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i always knew he'd go nuts one day!
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Old 29 Nov 2009, 01:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Blimey!

Quiet day Dean?

In all seriousness you make some great points and I think it is very helpful to hear other enthusiasts experiences, good as well as bad, when making decisions that are going to cost us money, sometimes thousands of pounds. In terms of quality service the same names keep on coming up time and time again (the same is also true of the places to avoid) so I have a fair idea of where my parts and servicing requirements will be met when i get back to the UK and have already pretty much decided on a mapper for my car, pending actually dealing with the chap. All this is a result of reading about peoples experiences with said vendors/mappers/tuners on a number of forums.
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i always knew he'd go nuts one day!
It's genetic... As you have already proved! On more than one occassion!
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Old 29 Nov 2009, 01:53 PM   #6 (permalink)
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brilliant post as a newbie it is all to easy to be sucked in by false claims and poor goods and even poor advice from people who claim to be expert/experienced.
Dont believe all you read and take advice from trusted sources.
Especially dont trust claimed bhp gains from component manufacturers they are usually pretty wild claims.
Again great post and definitely not in vain.

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Old 29 Nov 2009, 11:08 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Great points their Dean you tell it like it is v good agree with everything you said v good points, always do background checks if I was letting some one do somthing on my car do all mechanical stuff to it myself but somthings out of my hands like changing tyres or I be making sure they dont scratch alloys, when you young when I was just 17 letting people do some jobs on my car you wouldnt really be that wise think when you get older you get wiser and look at the world more and really realise their cowboys out their just gotta go with good advice, ask questions to where their is good honest, reliable services and go to trusted sources as said above
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brilliant post as a newbie it is all to easy to be sucked in by false claims and poor goods and even poor advice from people who claim to be expert/experienced.
Dont believe all you read and take advice from trusted sources.
Especially dont trust claimed bhp gains from component manufacturers they are usually pretty wild claims.
Again great post and definitely not in vain.

Dan

you mean you don;t believe the 200bhp gains from the turbonator and the 50bhp claims from ebays famous, resistor of justice? pmsl

yep def sounds advice
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you mean you don;t believe the 200bhp gains from the turbonator and the 50bhp claims from ebays famous, resistor of justice? pmsl

yep def sounds advice
Cheers Tidg meister... and to all who read my LONG LONG post (sorry)
I do get carried away when I feel people like us are getting ripped off by the parasites that hang around these sites...

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brilliant post as a newbie it is all to easy to be sucked in by false claims and poor goods and even poor advice from people who claim to be expert/experienced.
Dont believe all you read and take advice from trusted sources.
Especially dont trust claimed bhp gains from component manufacturers they are usually pretty wild claims.
Again great post and definitely not in vain.

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Hello Dan and your more than welcome

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i always knew he'd go nuts one day!
agree with you andrew
but a good read dean
i can see i need to send a early xmas presentchill man
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agree with you andrew
but a good read dean
i can see i need to send a early xmas presentchill man
Need an editor badly

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you mean you don;t believe the 200bhp gains from the turbonator
Remember that product what a load of crap
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Remember that product what a load of crap
Perhaps we need a 'ROGUES GALLERY' of products that are 'snake oil' and pure crap

Hmm new thread
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Perhaps we need a 'ROGUES GALLERY' of products that are 'snake oil' and pure crap

Hmm new thread

problem is with that, is its can be liabalas and the site will get into lots and lots of hotwater.

they may be 100% true, however, unless its been a case of law then the company could take the site to court and major trouble arrises
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