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Old 26 Jan 2009, 08:35 PM   #1 (permalink)
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hi all, new to the site bit of a long one here so please bare with me and hopefully shed some light on this for me im desperate!... i drive a 1997 scooby impreza sport wagon facelift model and im having major problems with it!
The car has a clifford Solaris 5 alarm immobiliser with fuel cut off system, been fine up unitl saturday (apart from stalling at traffic lights which i was told was due to this immobilser) when i was driving home in match traffic and the car simply died on me! its stalled and would not start again! all dash lghts were on and everything else worked like the door locks and alarm but it would not even crank over, nothing there when i turned the ignition on at all!
needless to say, i had to get a tow home and putit in my yard until today (monday) when i called an auto electricioan out to solve the probelm. i told him to simply disconnect the cliffoed immmobliser altogether so that this never happened again so he did. the car then cranked over fine but still would not fire up! so i was 40 down and no further forward!
i rang another auto electrician who put a diagnostic lit on it (looked like a bit of a cowboy to be honest) and he told me that the ECU was fried and that it needed an new one as it was not respnding to the key in anyway, he quoted me 350 for part and fitting but i knew i could get one brand new from a friend for 65 so i aksed if this would do and he started telling me he wasnt sure if it was that and needed to be trouble shooted (i thought that was what diagnostic was for!) blah blah blah so i sent him on his way another 30 down and still no further forward.
i decided to have a little fiddle on with the key Fob and see if it did anything and discovered that the car would actually start if i sat in it, and locked the doors with the fob but it would cut straight out again after 2 seconds! (so i assume the ECU would be ok or it would not have started at all???) i rang Turners Alarms who specialise in fitting clifford and they said that my model alarm has a fuel pump shut off relay system and that it sounded like this was the problem or the cars own fuel pump relay. they said if i could smell strong petrol when cranking it (which i could) then it was most likely not the cars and probably the clifford one but to check my cars own to run a live from the battery directly to the positive terminal of the fuel pump to test the pump. trouble is, they could not tell me where to find either relay to check them and didnt know for certain if it was the problem (though it was most likley) i cant afford to throw anymore money away having people look at it and not sove anything so if anyone could give me any suggestions on what to try i would greatly appreciate it!
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Old 26 Jan 2009, 09:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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blimey!!!! if the 1st electritian disconected all the alarm then the alarms fuel cut off relay shudn't be interfering. most prob either you fuel pump knakered or dodgy, or associated wiring?? try ur mates ecu see if that works, if it your mate he wont mind you trying it!!
i had a similar prob wit a fiesta i had yrs ago, i took the alrm out an every thing coz thought the immob wasn't dissengaging, turned out it was a broken wire going into the fuel pump!!
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Old 26 Jan 2009, 09:08 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Whereabouts are ya mate adam one of me mates used to work as car audio/car alarm installer/auto electrician now more a mechanic but still sorts electrical probs on mainly peugeots/renaults(keeps him busy)-good with alarms though.

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Old 26 Jan 2009, 09:09 PM   #4 (permalink)
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hiya, he didnt take the alarm out, he only disabled the immobilser part of it. the alarm and remote door locks all still work he only bypassed the immobiliser so thats why i thought maybe the clifford fuel cut off is still active and is cutting in when i start the engine as an anti theft measure? its not my mates ECU, he works at a parts centre and can get me one for 65 but i really dont have the money to throw away on another maybe. i was actually hoping that if i got the entire Clifford removed it may resolve the issue... if i knew where to look for the fuel pump relay i could maybe try another relay or find the clifford cut in and take it out?
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Old 26 Jan 2009, 09:10 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Whereabouts are ya mate adam one of me mates used to work as car audio/car alarm installer/auto electrician now more a mechanic but still sorts electrical probs on mainly peugeots/renaults(keeps him busy)-good with alarms though.

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im at sunderland mate so quite a way away and the car wont run
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Old 26 Jan 2009, 09:38 PM   #6 (permalink)
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does anyone know where the fuel pumpis on my model scooby and where the relay is located? those are probably the cheapest and simplest things to check out first, if only i could find them!
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does anyone know where the fuel pumpis on my model scooby and where the relay is located? those are probably the cheapest and simplest things to check out first, if only i could find them!

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Re: clifford immediately cuts fuel pump! HELP!!!

Sorry to hear all of your troubles mate, I thought I was reading my own thread for a moment there. I had a clifford put on before Xmas and I've had nothing but trouble since. My immobiliser has been disconnected too !
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Old 27 Jan 2009, 10:21 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Sorry to hear all of your troubles mate, I thought I was reading my own thread for a moment there. I had a clifford put on before Xmas and I've had nothing but trouble since. My immobiliser has been disconnected too !
has it helped any? im about to go out and try locat the fuel pump. the lnk above is for a new shape impreza mine is the classic but with th newer shaped front lights and grill... im hoping if i get the entire clifford removed that it will solve the problem but i dont wanna pay to have it removed only to have the same trouble still!
i just really hop it is the clifford thats doing all of this coz it will only be 45 to have it removed and fixed for good!
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Well I've had no trouble since mine was disconnected. Mine is the classic shape too, the fuel pump is under the passenger side rear wheel but you can access it through an inspection flap under the rear seat. AS Performance sold me a new uprated fuel pump for about 70 if you do need one.
If it is the Clifford then you shouldn't have to pay to have it disconnected, I didn't. I'm sure Clifford has a life time warranty ?
You need to check if the fuel pump primes when you turn the ignition on, you should be able to hear it, or put your hand on the pump you'll feel it (you will need someone to turn the ignition on for you). If the pump is working and fuel is getting through then you should have a look at the ignition system, maybe check for a spark ?
When we looked at mine we thought it was the immobiliser because I had no fuel pump and no spark.
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Old 27 Jan 2009, 11:11 AM   #11 (permalink)
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i think the fuel pump is working coz whe i tur the key i can hear the little buzz for a second and the relay click under the dashboard, but when i turn the key it just cranks and cranks... when i lock the doors off the fob from inside it starts up but then cuts out almost immediately leading me to beleive it is definately the clifford system somewhere along the line. the autop electrician that came out yesterday said he had bypassed the clifford immobiiser but nothing else. ive looked under the dash and he has snipped all the clifford wires from the ignition and reconnected the old wires back up to each other again so im assuming thats bypassed the immobiliser but im no auto electrician! it just seems to much if a coincidence that it starts up when i fiddle on with the fob for it not to be anything to do with the clifford dont you think?... i bought the car second hand 4 months ago so i dont have any papers or warrenty, not even the installation certificate so i have to pay to have it all removed, 45... but i just hope that the clifford guy doesnt just come along, snip the clifford out and leave the car not running still! it just seems like the only person willing to take the car, and garantee that il get it back running is the cowboy thats claiming its the ECU which i really dont think it is and do not have the 350 to pull out to have it done! im at a total loss
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Old 27 Jan 2009, 01:23 PM   #12 (permalink)
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thanks for the fuel pump info above, iv found it and it buzzes when i turn the key, i cant find the relay behind the drivers vent but then again i dont know what it looks like!but theres a dfinate click comes from there when i turn the ignition on which is what always used to happen. there is a strong smell of fuel when i crank the engine and gas it so surley the pump must be doing its job so i think its probably safe to rule that out, right?... i have however just noticed that the clifford blue LED was actually unplugged and when i plugged it back in its staying solid blue no matter what i do with the fob. is this normal? i thought it was meant to flash! i dont have any valet codes or anything like that as tey wernt in with the paperwork when i bought the car so could this whole problem be down to the clifford like i thought in the first place? if i knew for certain i would gladly pay the 45 to have it removed, dowse it in petrol and watch it melt away in front of me for the amount of sheer hassle the thing has caused me!
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Sounds like your fuel pump is working fine, your starter motor is ok as the engine is turning over, so you need to find out why it ain't starting.
Just a thought but get a can of carb cleaner and spray it in to the induction (take the filter off to do this) if you're getting a spark the car should start, if only for a few seconds.
If it does start I thnk you can rule out the Clifford, that being said you're gonna rip it out anyway and 45 to do this is a good price.
If you get this far then it a process of elimination as to what could be wrong, but let's tackle that once we know if there's a spark.
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Sounds like your fuel pump is working fine, your starter motor is ok as the engine is turning over, so you need to find out why it ain't starting.
Just a thought but get a can of carb cleaner and spray it in to the induction (take the filter off to do this) if you're getting a spark the car should start, if only for a few seconds.
If it does start I thnk you can rule out the Clifford, that being said you're gonna rip it out anyway and 45 to do this is a good price.
If you get this far then it a process of elimination as to what could be wrong, but let's tackle that once we know if there's a spark.
sprayed the carb made no difference to the starting, still cuts out after 2 secnds so im almost sureit has to be the clifford. i read on another forum to find the brain and disconnect it see if that helps and normally it is located behind te glovebox so i took the glovebox out and there is no brain there! all thats there is a black relay box and ive also noticed that there was a red wire leading from the yellow ignition with a 20 fuse on it, i traced this and it also end behind the glovebox but is not conncted to anything! shoud this have a live feed or something to my battery?
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Mate, you need some proper tech help with this but that will cost you money. Can you get it in to a Subaru garage and ask them to run a diagnistic ? I'm not convinced it's the Clifford if it does start, even if only for a couple of seconds.
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